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Google and Microsoft try to snub out the competition
Topic Started: Jul 3 2009, 11:01 PM (235 Views)
Grant A.	Jul 3 2009, 11:01 PM Post #1
Unpacked Posts: 106 Group: Members Member #377,930 Joined: July 3, 2009	I hope someone teaches these bullies a lesson. http://grant931.wordpress.com/2009/07/03/are-google-and-microsoft-attempting-to-snuff-out-the-competition/
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Smkiller	Jul 3 2009, 11:06 PM Post #2
steals member title Posts: 2,056 Group: Members Member #101,968 Joined: August 27, 2005	Wow. That's all I really have to say about this. Just... wow.
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Hatori	Jul 3 2009, 11:07 PM Post #3
clouds meant nothing Posts: 1,155 Group: Members Member #314,855 Joined: December 13, 2007	I really think no one should be sued here as everyone is just doing their best to improve their own company. I don't like Bing but since Microsoft made it, they could do anything with it to improve their products or development. Google on the other hand pays YouTube and since they kinda own it already, they could also do whatever with it, to improve it and such.



Smkiller	Jul 3 2009, 11:19 PM Post #4
steals member title Posts: 2,056 Group: Members Member #101,968 Joined: August 27, 2005	Hatori Jul 3 2009, 11:07 PM I really think no one should be sued here as everyone is just doing their best to improve their own company. As well as wipe out other companies.
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Grant A.	Jul 3 2009, 11:19 PM Post #5
Unpacked Posts: 106 Group: Members Member #377,930 Joined: July 3, 2009	Hatori Jul 3 2009, 11:07 PM I really think no one should be sued here as everyone is just doing their best to improve their own company. I don't like Bing but since Microsoft made it, they could do anything with it to improve their products or development. Google on the other hand pays YouTube and since they kinda own it already, they could also do whatever with it, to improve it and such. Anti-Trust laws are there to prevent companies from getting too big, taking advantage of smaller companies, and destroying them through unfair competition. During the Late 1800s to the Mid 1900s, AT&T held a monopoly on telephone service in the United States. Why is this bad? Because they were able to give out crap service, and charge royally for it. Companies are there to make money, and nothing else. Monopolies are bad for the consumer, because they get crap, and charged royally for it. Do you honestly think that its fair for people to do anti-competitive and unfair practices such as these? Microsoft paid stores to not sell their competitors in the nineties, and this eventually, with the culmination of other bad practices, led to the anti-trust suit "United States v. Microsoft". Do you think that's fair? When a company monopolizes and does anti-competitive practices, they kill smaller businesses, which causes many people to lose their jobs, which in turn results in people going home empty handed to hungry families. Edited by Grant A., Jul 3 2009, 11:21 PM.
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Smkiller	Jul 3 2009, 11:58 PM Post #6
steals member title Posts: 2,056 Group: Members Member #101,968 Joined: August 27, 2005	If they do this H.256 thing, they're basically forcing people who use other browsers such as Firefox or Internet Explorer to use Google Chrome in order to use Youtube. Which really, shouldn't be done. That's what it seems like to me, anyway. Edited by Smkiller, Jul 4 2009, 12:01 AM.
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Zeus00	Jul 4 2009, 12:21 AM Post #7
We're Here Because We're Here Posts: 19,547 Group: Former Staff Member #10,775 Joined: April 8, 2004	Hatori Jul 3 2009, 11:07 PM I really think no one should be sued here as everyone is just doing their best to improve their own company. I don't like Bing but since Microsoft made it, they could do anything with it to improve their products or development. Google on the other hand pays YouTube and since they kinda own it already, they could also do whatever with it, to improve it and such. I'm leaning to agree with this. I see where the monopoly is coming in, but compared to the other massive events Grant A. has mentioned, I don't think this is that big of a deal. And it's not like the consumers are getting any sort of crap service in this whole Youtube/Microsoft chain of events. The video quality, if I understand, is much better quality. Bing isn't too bad also, even if I'd rather use Google.
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lightsilver	Jul 4 2009, 12:25 AM Post #8
this \|\| that Posts: 3,260 Group: Members Member #59,232 Joined: March 10, 2005	If this goes through, I guess I won't be using youtube anymore
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Grant A.	Jul 4 2009, 01:01 AM Post #9
Unpacked Posts: 106 Group: Members Member #377,930 Joined: July 3, 2009	Zeus00 Jul 4 2009, 12:21 AM I see where the monopoly is coming in, but compared to the other massive events Grant A. has mentioned, I don't think this is that big of a deal. And it's not like the consumers are getting any sort of crap service in this whole Youtube/Microsoft chain of events. The video quality, if I understand, is much better quality. Bing isn't too bad also, even if I'd rather use Google. Actually, Google was originally going to use Ogg Theora as its replacement to Flash, but they ended up using h.264. Ogg Theora and h.264 have the same video quality, but Ogg Theora is unencumbered by patents, and therefore can be used in all web browsers. It's pretty obvious that this is a direct attempt to convert users. Edited by Grant A., Jul 4 2009, 02:36 AM.
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Dakota	Jul 4 2009, 01:05 AM Post #10
he ate my ♥ Posts: 2,203 Group: Former Staff Member #335,895 Joined: April 2, 2008	lightsilver Jul 4 2009, 12:25 AM If this goes through, I guess I won't be using youtube anymore Same. Seems pretty outrageous but it's a very, very smart move for the company, but for the users not so much..



Clapton	Jul 4 2009, 01:32 AM Post #11
Also known as Feare, Aoine, Slowhand Posts: 9,444 Group: Members Member #82,956 Joined: June 21, 2005	Can't really call it a monopoly since Safari can also display h.256. Obviously it is outrageous but they kinda do what they want with it. What really irks me is bing. It is a horrible search engine. I tried it out and immediately disliked it, and it takes up way too much room in IE (when I have to use IE for various things). Who in the hell has TV advertisements for a search engine anyway? Microsoft, of course.



LightFire.	Jul 4 2009, 01:33 AM Post #12
Blurred Memories. Posts: 1,471 Group: Members Member #240,434 Joined: January 7, 2007	I honestly think Bing shouldn't be used. Google's always been there for us, and now there's Bing, and we switch to Bing as if Google wasn't anything important. Bing = Fail. Google = Win. Besides, Google is already well known around the world. Bing isn't. That's why they need advertising, besides. It's from Microsoft. And they can afford it. Edited by LightFire., Jul 4 2009, 01:34 AM.
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Dardan	Jul 4 2009, 01:40 AM Post #13
Το ένα και μόνο Posts: 3,403 Group: Members Member #235,474 Joined: December 17, 2006	Could you post some sources? I want to take a look at some of them myself.



Zeus00	Jul 4 2009, 01:42 AM Post #14
We're Here Because We're Here Posts: 19,547 Group: Former Staff Member #10,775 Joined: April 8, 2004	Grant A. Jul 4 2009, 01:01 AM Zeus00 Jul 4 2009, 12:21 AM I see where the monopoly is coming in, but compared to the other massive events Grant A. has mentioned, I don't think this is that big of a deal. And it's not like the consumers are getting any sort of crap service in this whole Youtube/Microsoft chain of events. The video quality, if I understand, is much better quality. Bing isn't too bad also, even if I'd rather use Google. Actually, Google was originally going to use Ogg Theora as its replacement to Flash, but they ended up using h.256. Ogg Theora and h.256 have the same video quality, but Ogg Theora is unencumbered by patents, and therefore can be used in all web browsers. It's pretty obvious that this is a direct attempt to convert users. So what? If I were to create something new, I'd want as many users to convert and use my service.
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Delirium	Jul 4 2009, 02:03 AM Post #15
Here we are, Juggernaut Posts: 5,099 Group: Resource Staff Member #83,901 Joined: June 24, 2005	I can't really see why Google would go with this as they'd lose a shit ton of traffic from all kinds of browsers that can't support it. People still use IE, why would they feel the need to switch to Chrome?
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Grant A.	Jul 4 2009, 02:33 AM Post #16
Unpacked Posts: 106 Group: Members Member #377,930 Joined: July 3, 2009	Zeus00 Jul 4 2009, 01:42 AM Grant A. Jul 4 2009, 01:01 AM Zeus00 Jul 4 2009, 12:21 AM I see where the monopoly is coming in, but compared to the other massive events Grant A. has mentioned, I don't think this is that big of a deal. And it's not like the consumers are getting any sort of crap service in this whole Youtube/Microsoft chain of events. The video quality, if I understand, is much better quality. Bing isn't too bad also, even if I'd rather use Google. Actually, Google was originally going to use Ogg Theora as its replacement to Flash, but they ended up using h.256. Ogg Theora and h.256 have the same video quality, but Ogg Theora is unencumbered by patents, and therefore can be used in all web browsers. It's pretty obvious that this is a direct attempt to convert users. So what? If I were to create something new, I'd want as many users to convert and use my service. Uhm... using h.264 would make less people able to use their service, because not all browsers can support h.264. The fact is that they are using their monopoly on the video hosting to try and convert users to Chrome. It's a very cheap tactic, it's monopoly abuse, and it's anti-competitive! Moreover, the biggest problem is Google's EULA. In the original Chrome EULA, it said that Google had the rights to anything transmitted to the Internet via Chrome. Now, imagine if Google had Firefox's marketshare and implemented that. Sources for the original blog post: Slashdot article about YouTube replacing Flash and Theora with h.264 GNU GPL Wikipedia article on h.264
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lightsilver	Jul 4 2009, 06:04 AM Post #17
this \|\| that Posts: 3,260 Group: Members Member #59,232 Joined: March 10, 2005	wait, if for this h.264 thing, you just have to pay royalties to use it, couln't anyone pay the royalties? And then just make a firefox addon
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Grant A.	Jul 4 2009, 06:28 AM Post #18
Unpacked Posts: 106 Group: Members Member #377,930 Joined: July 3, 2009	The royalties would cost millions, but if you know any rich Open Source supporters, go ahead.
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Sobriquet.	Jul 4 2009, 11:56 AM Post #19
robbers and cowards Posts: 5,465 Group: Members Member #51,990 Joined: February 5, 2005	Would people really stop using Youtube, should this ever come into fruition, out of principle? Internet. Serious Business.
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~~Aetheria~~	Jul 4 2009, 11:58 AM Post #20
Posts: 9,679 Group: Disabled Account Member #170,886 Joined: May 2, 2006	so i won't be able to watch anything on youtube? good ****ing riddance.



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